Jul 31, 2026
Why do so many conversations leave people feeling unseen,
unheard, and misunderstood?
In Episode 262 of The Mindset Game podcast, Vered Kogan speaks with
Greg McKeown, New York Times bestselling author of Essentialism and
Effortless, about why misunderstanding has become one of the
greatest barriers to effective leadership, collaboration, and human
connection.
Drawing on his doctoral research at the University of Cambridge,
Greg introduces the concept of confident misunderstanding and
explains why the ability to truly understand another person's
perspective may be one of the most important leadership skills of
our time. Together, they explore how empathy, curiosity, and deep
listening can reduce polarization, strengthen relationships, and
improve communication in every area of life.
In this conversation, you'll learn:
The conversation takes an unexpected turn when Greg asks Vered
to coach him through a real leadership challenge involving a
difficult relationship. Together, they explore how to move beyond
judgment, step into another person's perspective, and create the
conditions for greater understanding. This coaching segment is
included in the video version of the episode on YouTube and offers
a rare opportunity to experience these principles in action and see
how small shifts in perspective can transform the way we navigate
difficult conversations. Click HERE to access the
video.
To learn more about Greg's work, visit GregMcKeown.com or connect with him
on LinkedIn.
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