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Feb 9, 2024

Whether you generally enjoy small talk or you dread it, conversational skills offer a powerful way to build rapport and create meaningful connections with others in your personal and professional life. While the art of conversation is crucial for leaders in particular, many people – especially those who identify as introverts – can find it challenging at times.

As a self-proclaimed formerly shy, “tongue-tied” engineer, Debra Fine is now an internationally recognized conversation and networking skills expert, motivational speaker, and best-selling author of the book, “The Fine Art of Small Talk: How to Start a Conversation, Keep It Going, Build Networking Skills – and Leave a Positive Impression!” Debra’s impressive client list includes associations, government agencies, and large corporations such as Google, Lockheed Martin, United Airlines, and Procter & Gamble. In Episode 177 of The MINDSet Game® podcast, Debra discusses the following topics:

  • How simple mindset shifts can help anyone (and particularly introverts) become better at small talk
  • Practical tips for starting conversations with both strangers and acquaintances
  • Top conversation “killers,” such as monopolizing and matchmaking, and how to avoid them
  • How to gracefully exit a conversation without appearing abrupt or offensive 

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